Visionary vs. Integrator: The Two Entrepreneur Types Running Cash Practices

Every cash-practice owner has strengths they lean on and weak spots that slow them down. Some founders are natural front-facing leaders — the people who generate ideas, get others excited, and pull in new business with ease. Others thrive behind the scenes, organizing, systemizing, and keeping chaos out of the business.

In this episode, Danny breaks down these two types of entrepreneurs — Visionaries and Integrators — and explains why knowing which one you are changes everything about how you grow.

The topic came up during PT Biz’s Winter Workshop, where younger clinic owners and business partners were asking how to better understand their roles. What Danny pointed out is simple but powerful: understanding your wiring lets you lean into your strengths while intentionally developing the skills that don’t come naturally.

What a Visionary Looks Like

Visionaries are idea-heavy, people-oriented, and forward-facing. They’re energized by interaction, selling, marketing, and getting people onboard with a plan. They’re often the ones who start businesses in the first place.

But they struggle with consistency, organization, systems, follow-through, and detail work. They grow fast early on, but they often lose staff just as fast if they don’t learn how to lead with structure.

A must-read for them: The Checklist Manifesto.

What an Integrator Looks Like

Integrators are wired for structure. They like details, spreadsheets, processes, and the operational engine that keeps a business alive. They’re often quieter, more introverted, and less excited about workshops, marketing events, and public presentations.

They struggle most with being forward-facing — building relationships, presenting confidently, building early momentum, and attracting early hires.

A must-read for them: How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Why This Matters for Cash Practice Owners

Most founders think their biggest challenge is effort. They believe they just need to grind harder. But Danny explains that momentum comes from effort multiplied by accuracy — meaning you can work yourself into the ground, but if you’re working on the wrong skills, you spin in circles.

Visionaries must learn structure.
Integrators must learn confidence and presence.
Both must understand what the business needs from them today — not what comes naturally.

And like anything else in the clinic, these skills can be learned. You don’t need 30 different business books — you need the right one for your personality, and the discipline to apply it.

Start Now (Not January 1st)

Danny makes one more important point: stop waiting for the perfect moment to improve your weak spots. You don’t need a new year or a fresh quarter. You just need to start.

If you understand the race you’re running, and the skills required for the next stage, your business becomes easier to navigate. The fear goes down. The momentum goes up. And your growth becomes predictable instead of chaotic.

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Podcast Transcript

Danny: 

[00:00:00] Hey, what's going on? Dr. Danny here with the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, and today [00:00:05] we're talking about two books, well, I guess three books, [00:00:10] but two primary books that can fit either style of entrepreneur that we typically see to [00:00:15] help you really round yourself out. Now, [00:00:20] I'm talking about this because just yesterday we had our.[00:00:25]

Um, winter workshop, which we do two virtual [00:00:30] workshops a year for our mastermind members. And, um, when we do that, I have [00:00:35] a chance to dive into people's businesses with them. All of our coaches are in there. We have a number of different things we do, [00:00:40] uh, both sort of bigger group and then small group work.

And one of the things that [00:00:45] I had a chance to do was talk to some younger business owners. Um, some of them are [00:00:50] partners as well. There's a couple different groups that, uh, that had business partners and. [00:00:55] What's interesting when we see business partners is usually there's a combination of, [00:01:00] uh, someone that's more operationally heavy and somebody that's more sort of like forward facing.

[00:01:05] That's on the partnership side. But when you have an individual [00:01:10] entrepreneur that starts a business, you typically bias towards one of these as well. [00:01:15] And it's really important to know which one you are because not only do you, do you wanna know that [00:01:20] and kind of lean into your, uh, superpowers. But you need to also learn how [00:01:25] to, uh, you know, soften those, those edges you have that are going to be [00:01:30] problematic for you as well.

Okay. This is, this is not something that anybody ever talked to me about early [00:01:35] on. I wish they would have. Um, because the, the thing is, um, with my [00:01:40] wife and I working together, we were opposing skill sets in a positive way. We didn't know. We kinda lucked into [00:01:45] that. And, uh, when we look at [00:01:50] successful entrepreneurs, you know, they can be.

Either of these variations that I'm gonna talk [00:01:55] about, you kinda need know which one you are so you can work on the things you're gonna have a challenge with. So there's a book [00:02:00] called Rocket Fuel. Um, this is an author named Gino Wickman. He wrote another book called The [00:02:05] Entrepreneur Operating System, or EOS, which is, it's a, it's a, it's a system that a lot of businesses use for [00:02:10] meeting cadences and verbiage and, um.

For planning. Right. And it's, and it's really good. It's [00:02:15] kind of complex and oftentimes you need to have a, a facilitator, facilitator come in, which can be very expensive. [00:02:20] Um, you know, I think having some sort of system like that is really good. We have, uh, [00:02:25] created a variation. It isn't quite as intense. It's far more simplified that we, [00:02:30] uh, that we use with, with our own, uh, mastermind members and our own, our own clients.

[00:02:35] Um, but Gina Wickman does a great job and he wrote a book called Rocket Fuel that [00:02:40] highlights these two sort of personality types within businesses. One is called a visionary and one [00:02:45] is an integrator. So a visionary is somebody that's more sort of. You know, sales, marketing driven, [00:02:50] they, they like ID ideation and creation of ideas and, and, and being, uh, [00:02:55] face-to-face with people.

They tend to be a bit more extroverted. Uh, you know, they tend to get excited around [00:03:00] people and need to be around people, um, and can get people excited about [00:03:05] a, a vision, that's why they're called visionaries. But they're typically [00:03:10] very unorganized. They have a hard time of following through on things.

They are not detail [00:03:15] oriented. They lose track of things. It's, it's a, you know, it, it's their kryptonite [00:03:20] versus an integrator. An integrator is fantastic at all of those things. They're very organized, detail [00:03:25] oriented. They, uh, they track everything. They, they, they like spreadsheets, they like [00:03:30] organization. Um, what they tend to struggle with oftentimes is forward facing things.

So they're not the one that's [00:03:35] gonna want to go to do a marketing event. They're not the one that wants to give a presentation. They're not the one that [00:03:40] wants to, you know, represent the business in a a business entrepreneur group of some sort. [00:03:45] Right? That's not their strong suit. Uh, they're not gonna get up and and give a [00:03:50] inspiring speech to their staff, right?

Not usually. Uh, they prefer not to. They can put [00:03:55] it that way. So, you know, you kinda have to ask yourself, which of these two are you? [00:04:00] And I've worked with enough people now that they can pick it out pretty quickly. Just based on [00:04:05] the way in which they interact with other people. And what I've found is [00:04:10] that owning a business, it's going [00:04:15] to, in a, in a positive manner, highlight your, your superpowers.

In that [00:04:20] business. So if you're very, you know, visionary and you can get people excited and you're good in [00:04:25] public, you can drive a lot of business to, to your, to your clinic. Uh, [00:04:30] superpower where you're gonna struggle is with scale. It's gonna be with you trying to systemize things [00:04:35] and hire people and follow up with people, and having communication at a high level.

Um. If someone's [00:04:40] an integrator, well, they're gonna do great on the organization side of things, but they're gonna struggle at [00:04:45] driving business. They're gonna struggle at the marketing side of things. They're gonna struggle at, you know, team, um, [00:04:50] motivation and things of that nature. So you can't really change who you are, [00:04:55] like you just naturally are who you are.

If anybody has kids, like, you know, like nature nurtures a real thing. [00:05:00] It was a natural set point for everybody. Yes, you can obviously learn things and improve and [00:05:05] whatever you want, but just deep down, everybody kind of naturally has a set point that they are comfortable with, [00:05:10] and. If you as an entrepreneur understand which one you [00:05:15] are, a visionary or an integrator, now you have a chance to say, all right, well, I know this is [00:05:20] going to be beneficial in many ways, but how can I also learn to at least [00:05:25] be proficient in these other skills that are going to be required, uh, of you [00:05:30] so that you're able to actually be as effective as possible for your team?[00:05:35]

Right. For me, I struggled a lot with, uh, you know, [00:05:40] organization follow through communication. It's still an area that's not a huge [00:05:45] strength of mine and an area that I've gotten much, much better at. And it's because [00:05:50] I've had to learn how to actually do those things. These are skills that I've had to learn.[00:05:55]

Same thing if you're more introverted or you're more, uh, operationally, you know, driven, [00:06:00] uh, as an integrator is then you know you're gonna have to work on things like. [00:06:05] Public presence and charisma and your ability to engage with your team and, and making [00:06:10] sure that you, you know, are able to be forward facing in the business.

'cause you may have to, so there's two [00:06:15] books that I wanna recommend, one for each of these. And I think this is something that, you know, when, when I think about [00:06:20] books, there's like this, I don't know, it's almost like people [00:06:25] have like a race to see who can read the most, which is fine if, if, if, if you just like, [00:06:30] you know, are, uh, trying to learn as much as you can, but sometimes.[00:06:35]

What we need is not necessarily just broad learning, but [00:06:40] targeted learning, right? We don't need broad information. We need targeted information, and we need to [00:06:45] apply that. And maybe it's that you need to read this book, this one book [00:06:50] multiple times. And really apply the things from that book instead of [00:06:55] moving on to another one instead of saying, okay, I've read this now what [00:07:00] it's, well now let's apply it and then let's reread it and let's make sure that we're continuing to [00:07:05] improve these skills.

So if you are more of an integrator, [00:07:10] you like spreadsheets and organization, and you like details, and you like, you know, everything to have [00:07:15] its place and, and, and you like the operational side of the business, well. [00:07:20] The book that I have for you is a classic. It's How To [00:07:25] Win Friends and Influence People.

Now, this is a strange title for a book, very strange title for a book, [00:07:30] and yet in many ways, one of the more impactful [00:07:35] books that anybody could read that struggles with, you know, being a bit more forward facing. [00:07:40] And it's not that you can't do it, it's just a skill that maybe [00:07:45] doesn't come as naturally to you.

Or no one's ever taught you. Now, the interesting thing about this book is, was written [00:07:50] like in the twenties or something like it. It's, it's, it's like a hundred years old, damn near, and [00:07:55] the, to the concepts of it, the topics, they ha, they, they just have. [00:08:00] You know, really aged well in an age where we have far more technology and things have changed.[00:08:05]

The human human connection hasn't changed much. I remember I read this book [00:08:10] while I was, um, I was going through Outprocessing from the Army. If anybody's ever [00:08:15] been in the military, you do. In processing and outprocessing, it's basically this, [00:08:20] it's almost like a scavenger hunt that they give you this checklist of stuff that you have to do, but then some [00:08:25] offices are only open on certain days, and you have to go to certain offices before you can go to other offices.

So [00:08:30] what happens is you basically end up waiting a lot and they give you like a week or two to do this. And, um, [00:08:35] so you always bring a book with you and just wait, you know, just bring a book and, and wait. You're gonna be, you're [00:08:40] gonna be waiting a lot. So I read this book during my outprocessing. [00:08:45] When I was at Fort Benning right before we, we left, uh, to go to Atlanta and open our clinic, [00:08:50] and this is not necessarily an area that I struggle in.

I'm pretty good at connecting with people early [00:08:55] on and, um. At at least the early stage of that, uh, for the [00:09:00] follow through in curating and maintaining relationships I wasn't nearly as good at. And this book was [00:09:05] helpful really in both those domains. Very easy to learn. If there's a book that I would recommend, [00:09:10] anybody who's a bit more, you know, operationally minded, that maybe struggles a [00:09:15] little bit with.

People face to face and building and make, [00:09:20] making connections and curating those relationships and, and being somebody that people want to [00:09:25] see win. You know, 'cause they actually like you as a person and they, they enjoy being around [00:09:30] you. This is probably the most slam dunk book that you could possibly read.[00:09:35]

It's very easy to read, it's very actionable. There's exercises you can do in it. [00:09:40] Um, so I would highly, highly recommend it to anybody that's more of an inter [00:09:45] integrator, right? So if you fall into the integrator category, and that sounds more like you, then [00:09:50] how to win friends and influence people, not just, don't.

Just give it a read, read it, [00:09:55] start practicing the things that they talk about and then read it again. And [00:10:00] think of it as mastery of an area that's going to help your business, help you [00:10:05] in your business. In probably the most profound way, because what I see with people that are [00:10:10] founders, that are more integrators is they struggle more at the beginning.

They struggle more at the [00:10:15] start phase because they're not as, uh, comfortable going out and [00:10:20] getting business. They're not as comfortable doing workshops or local networking. They're not [00:10:25] as maybe attractive, their personality isn't as attractive to, [00:10:30] uh, to people to potentially work there. They're not, there's, they're not gonna like, pull people in with their charisma and they [00:10:35] gravitate towards them.

But they may be a fantastic boss because they're. Very [00:10:40] consistent and they have, you know, standards and, and they follow through on things. So, but to get to that stage, you have to [00:10:45] build the, um, the skillset of being able to push yourself into kind of [00:10:50] a bit more of a visionary role. Uh, early on. You have to do both now.[00:10:55]

Let's talk about the visionaries because it's probably actually for [00:11:00] founders, this is the more common category. Visionaries tend to be, you know, [00:11:05] founders more often because, um, they're more comfortable going out on their own. They're [00:11:10] more comfortable trying to drive business early on. They, frankly don't plan as much, so they maybe don't think [00:11:15] of the downside as much.

Um, so that allows them to go out and, you know, get started [00:11:20] without maybe fully understanding the repercussions of if this not successful for better or worse. That's [00:11:25] just sort of the way it is. Uh, but what you're gonna struggle with [00:11:30] is consistency, is follow through is organization. [00:11:35] And there's one book that I'll recommend for you that I think is a very, very [00:11:40] effective simple book, and this is called the Checklist Manifesto.[00:11:45]

A checklist. Manifesto is a book that was written by a, um, a surgeon [00:11:50] who's a, uh, Harvard Medical School professor as well. And the concept of the [00:11:55] book is basically, you know, looking at where we use checklists in different professions for, for [00:12:00] instance, if someone's flying a plane, there's a checklist of what they're gonna do before they take off.

[00:12:05] There's a checklist of what they're gonna do when they land. There's a checklist of what they do in air's, a checklist of what they [00:12:10] do if something goes. Wrong, and it reduces accidents [00:12:15] substantially, like in a, in a significant way. They looked at infection rates in [00:12:20] hospitals and by following checklists, even people that are seasoned providers, if they [00:12:25] follow a checklist, they reduce infection rates dramatically in comparison to those hospitals that do [00:12:30] not use checklists.

So checklists are these things that are essentially systems [00:12:35] and processes. They force you to think about things in an organized manner. [00:12:40] And if you are more visionary, biased. You're gonna really struggle with [00:12:45] this. In fact, me even talking about this book makes you bored and you're [00:12:50] like, I don't wanna read a book about checklists and processes and systems.

That doesn't sound cool. I'm sure you'd rather read a book [00:12:55] about, you know, Richard Branson's entrepreneurial story and all these crazy shit that he did. Like, yeah, [00:13:00] that sounds far more entertaining. But what is gonna get you to the next step of the skills that you need to [00:13:05] acquire? Because that's what it's all about.

And this is something that. You know, yesterday I [00:13:10] had some conversations with people in, in our mastermind about the stages they're at and the things that they need to work on. [00:13:15] Because if you really think of the momentum you gain, [00:13:20] it's just the amount of effort you put in times the right things, right? So if you're putting effort, [00:13:25] uh, you know, multiplied by accuracy of the decisions of the what to work on, you're gonna gain a lot of [00:13:30] momentum.

And you're gonna look back in a year, two years, three years, and you're gonna be like, holy crap. Look how far I've come. [00:13:35] If you. Do not understand what skills you need to acquire and how those [00:13:40] layer on in, in the building phase to the next parts of the business that you're gonna move on [00:13:45] to. Well, you're gonna really struggle, and here's what I see with visionaries.

[00:13:50] Visionaries tend to grow faster early on, but they also tend to [00:13:55] have more turnover when they hire people. They have more turnover because [00:14:00] when you hire somebody, you have to be consistent with that person. You have to give them feedback. You have to, [00:14:05] they have to know what they're allowed to do, not to do what processes and systems to follow if they wanna take time [00:14:10] off or when you're onboarding them and, you know, all kinds of things.

Just consistency of of, of [00:14:15] being an employer, of people. And most visionaries are really bad at [00:14:20] that. And they think, oh, I can just like, I'm gonna hire an admin. And that's not just how it works, man. [00:14:25] Like you can't just hire an admin to do all of these things for you. You're still the [00:14:30] boss, like you're still in charge.

And they're gonna look for you for leadership and for feedback and consistency. [00:14:35] And if you struggle with those things, you end up irritating people and they end up leaving. [00:14:40] And as great as you are at getting, you know, buy-in and [00:14:45] people in the door and storytelling and whatever else, you're gonna drop the ball on.

Creating [00:14:50] a place that's consistent for people to work. And that is like having a really bad foundation that you build a [00:14:55] house on top of. So you've got to improve these skills and [00:15:00] understanding the simple concept of systemizing things, processes, having [00:15:05] checklists for things that need to be done within the business.

A checklist for your evaluations. You [00:15:10] know, here's, here's what we do, here's how we meet people. This is the duration of time we work [00:15:15] with them. This is the the EMR that we use. This is how we document. This is how we send a homework, email. [00:15:20] This is how we check them out. This is when we do follow-ups. Always schedule a visit from a visit, like whatever it [00:15:25] is, a checklist.

In place that your team can then go and look at as well and [00:15:30] review so that they can make sure that they're doing the things that they need to do. But that comes from your brain. You gotta get outta your brain and you [00:15:35] gotta put it somewhere where it's visible to other people as well. So, checklist, [00:15:40] manifesto, that's the book for you.

And if you read it again, it's not just read it, check the box, it's [00:15:45] read it. Study it, take notes, apply it, come [00:15:50] back, reread sections of it. This is how we, we create long-term, you [00:15:55] know, knowledge gains in the appropriate ways. And I'm sorry, this isn't as cool as [00:16:00] just listening to this podcast and just like I got all the information I need.

You can listen to this and now I have some. [00:16:05] You know, recommendations For anybody that listens to it, you're gonna fall into one or two of these. You know, [00:16:10] one of the two, whichever one you buy towards. Get that book. Maybe you've already read these. Cool. [00:16:15] Pick 'em back up. Are you applying the things that are taught in these books?

Because when we [00:16:20] look at mastery of topics, it doesn't come from superficial. I read this thing one time. I listened to this one [00:16:25] podcast. It's application of the things that people are talking about that are gonna give you an advantage, [00:16:30] period. That's it. And it's, it's a little bit more work, but you're already doing [00:16:35] a big chunk of it.

All you have to do is continually try to follow up and make sure you're improving those skills. Now, [00:16:40] once you feel like you've got those mastered, cool, we can work on, uh, other things. We can move on to other things. [00:16:45] But these are foundational, two very foundational things. And I even see this at, you know, bigger [00:16:50] scale size businesses where.

It's still creating problems for people even though they've been able to like kinda [00:16:55] scale past multiple folks. Um, and it's still things that we need to address and work on. So I hope this helps you. I [00:17:00] hope this helps you with accuracy of something that you can work on. You know, a lot of this stuff at the beginning of the year, um, [00:17:05] concepts, right?

Where it's like, I'm gonna [00:17:10] start the new year with X, Y, and Z going on. It was like, okay, you could, you just start now, [00:17:15] you know, my daughter told me she was gonna start working on something. Beginning of the [00:17:20] year, and I challenged her. I said, why don't you to start right now? What's the difference? You get a three week head start on the beginning of the year.[00:17:25]

Why does the first of the year have anything to do with that? I understand. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a turnover of date. I get that the [00:17:30] year changes, but why not start now? And she didn't have a good reason why, like most people don't. [00:17:35] So if you listen to this, you could say, Hey, obvious, this is my New Year's resolution, whatever, you know?

Or you could just start reading these books [00:17:40] now while you have some downtime around the holidays. Start applying the concepts and start really trying to [00:17:45] improve the areas where you're weak, because that is where you're gonna really develop well-roundedness as an entrepreneur, [00:17:50] which is gonna help you get to the next stage of business.

You know, think of it like these skills you have to [00:17:55] learn in a video game. These, these, these skills you have to acquire and build before you can go. And then. You know, [00:18:00] go and fight these other bosses at harder levels. Like if you don't acquire those, it's like Zelda, like my son was playing Zelda, [00:18:05] uh, on the switch.

It's like, you can't go and fight this boss until you get this suit of armor. That only [00:18:10] comes from this thing, right? So as soon as you, as soon as you acquire that skillset, now you're more likely [00:18:15] to be able to actually be successful in these harder levels. Same thing in business. These are just foundational.

Make [00:18:20] sure you're working on the areas that are not natural to you, because that is where true growth comes [00:18:25] from.